Posts by campaign of hate

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

campaign of hate

Today, he is watching and observing, but at the begining of life/creation he set the rules where things can evolve.

There is no evidence, as he never steps in. No miracles, no divine intervention.

I think that this conclusion, to me anyway, helps me to be a better person, and if everyone followed this way of life we would have peace love and eternal happiness. Yes, we would still die, but our reward would be an immortal soul where it can bask in the infinite consciousness.

I agree, my theory or belief has cracks in it, but my journey seperate to JW beliefs has taken me down this path. I am willing and open to explore any amount of beliefs and traditions with the freedom of thought that the JWs so vearmantly oppose.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

campaign of hate

My theory (or belief) is that there is a God or entity that we cannot comprehend, that is just watching and observing.

Evolution did occur, but it was orchestrated by this unknown entity we call God.

Everyone, during there life, has the opportunity to do good to others, to love, to be a good person. And if we can tap into that goodness and love in our life everyday, at our passing we can reside in the infinite consciousness that is not of this earth. Only then we will fully understand the meaning of life.

If we do not do good deeds, and have hate in our heart, we begin the process again, same soul, different body, but with no recollection on our previous life/life's. This process can be infinite, until we dig deep into our present consciousness, and understand the real meaning of Jesus words.

I believe Jesus was a prophet, and the record of his works are accurate, but people have taken it too literal, and not spiritual enough. As for the rest of the bible, the jury's out for me on that one. The Hebrew scriptures may well have been written as a metaphor or to illustrate the darkness that man has spiritually. As for the Greek scriptures, i believe everyone back then took Jesus words as literal as we do today. They didn't grasp the Actual spiritual aspect of it.

Like i said, that's where i stand on my belief right now. This no doubt might change in the coming years.

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Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

by TTATTelder in

great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

campaign of hate

I think you might be spot on.

Can you imagine the fallout if it got uncovered?!

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WT is trying to scare off memorial partakers

by cookiemaster in

i don't know how many of you still participate in the sunday wt study, but i unfortunately still do.

even though i was asleep half of the time, i did notice something i thought i should share with the rest, in case you haven't noticed.

a lot of the paragraphs were worded strongly against partaking and used clear language of intimidation and discouragement toward anyone thinking of partaking.

campaign of hate

It totally felt like that was the vibe being given off at the WT today.

This is first proper push to discourage people from partaking that i can remember....I wonder what they are going to do when the number goes up for yet another year??

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Feeling indifferent

by campaign of hate in

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right now, at this point in my life, i feel like i should be angry, sad, upset, annoyed, whatever emotion that most of you guys here feel or have felt.. but the overwhelming feeling i get, and i have got since waking up, is indifference.. i think that this might be my subconscious coping mechanism.

when i go to the meetings or take part in any other wt related activity, i don't care.

i just really couldn't care less.. i mean, i do care, but i think it's more a fascination now about the whole thing.

campaign of hate

Looks like we have something in common. Cappytan.

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Feeling indifferent

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

right now, at this point in my life, i feel like i should be angry, sad, upset, annoyed, whatever emotion that most of you guys here feel or have felt.. but the overwhelming feeling i get, and i have got since waking up, is indifference.. i think that this might be my subconscious coping mechanism.

when i go to the meetings or take part in any other wt related activity, i don't care.

i just really couldn't care less.. i mean, i do care, but i think it's more a fascination now about the whole thing.

campaign of hate

Yeah, maybe enlightenment is what i feel is happening to me.

I have started to have more of a Hindu outlook. Karma, immortality of the soul, and things of this nature.

But that is a discussion for another time.

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Feeling indifferent

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

right now, at this point in my life, i feel like i should be angry, sad, upset, annoyed, whatever emotion that most of you guys here feel or have felt.. but the overwhelming feeling i get, and i have got since waking up, is indifference.. i think that this might be my subconscious coping mechanism.

when i go to the meetings or take part in any other wt related activity, i don't care.

i just really couldn't care less.. i mean, i do care, but i think it's more a fascination now about the whole thing.

campaign of hate

Right now, at this point in my life, i feel like i should be Angry, Sad, Upset, annoyed, whatever emotion that most of you guys here feel or have felt.

But the overwhelming feeling i get, and i have got since waking up, is indifference.

I think that this might be my subconscious coping mechanism. When i go to the meetings or take part in any other WT related activity, i don't care. I just really couldn't care less.

I mean, i do CARE, but i think it's more a fascination now about the whole thing. It actually does interest me, the ins and outs of the Cult. The mind control. The Thought Control. The Blind Obedience. But i just don't care that i was once fully part of it.

Is this normal? I've been thinking maybe it's depression? Maybe it's relief that the world isn't going to come to a destructive end in my life time (i hope).

Maybe I've always felt this way, but never really analysed my feelings properly.

Just looking for anyone out there who feels the same?...

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Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

by roberto avon in

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friends

did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

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I remember studying 1914 in depth with the WT publications, and the numbers didn't add up.

I'm not bad at maths in reality, but this knocked my confidance as i thought i might not be as clever as i thought i was.

It always used to confuse me how some people could just real it all off, but i could get my head around it.

Now i know it's because it doesn't make sense, and the numbers do not check out. You can't make 2+2=5.

I believed 144,000 being a literal number. I believed in Armageddon, but didn't think i would survive. And i worked out that if i didn't survive, then probably only 90% wouldn't survive either.

I think i believed pretty much every thing i was told by the WT 100%

I'm just glad i have an inquisitive mind, and had the guts to check out the internet.

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Who Will Be The Next Member Of The Governing Body To Defect From The Corporation?

by frankiespeakin in

while it may seem unlikely which of the currant governing body members do you feel would be most likely to defect?

i know it is a loaded question.. what about wealthy anthony morris iii?

or mark sanderson or geoffrey jackson?

campaign of hate

I think one of them will have a bit of an awakening at some point.

I think Sanderson will go one of two ways. Full on Cult leader, or defect. He's still young enough to somewhat survive on the outside. If he wrote a book, or sold his story to a large newspaper, he would recieve a modest amount to live on.

I also think if any of them were to defect, they would have to do it in the public realm in a talk at the AGM or something, so EVERYONE would have to know.

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WT loses appeal in UK!!!!!!!

by Viva la Vida in

the wt lost its appeals regarding the charity commission inquiry.

here is the ruling:.

http://www.charity.tribunals.gov.uk/documents/decisions/watch-tower-ruling-03mar15.pdf.

campaign of hate

Interesting....